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So what is really wrong with having a fan character?


     Apparently, there’s something wrong with having one. And having one with a very developed story that intertwines with the characters of said fandom (assume it’s Naruto and I WILL destroy you). What really is wrong with having one is beyond me, but it seems if you do a few stories with fan characters, or original characters to be specific, the story will go unread.

     Really, are you that shallow-minded?

     I’ve been writing fanfictions on and off for years now, since 2004, varying between what my interests were at that point. So YES I have a Naruto one, BACK. OFF. It was originally going to be a different story, but I got so pissed off with people saying it was amazing, I revamped it and now it’s just basically smut with a bit of a plot. And it’s STILL faved and commented on with a “Continue please” (insert annoyed sigh here).

     It seems that if you cannot “blend in” with what everyone else is doing, your work, and your characters you spent a lot of time on, just plain suck. On top of that, if it’s not yaoi, it sucks.

     Let me elaborate before your mind blows up with rage.

     I’ve loved Yu Yu Hakusho the longest out of any of the other animes I’ve ever watched. Just something about the story line and the character developments that really got to me. And yes, I fell for the damn bad-ass bishie boy, just like many others. Sue me. Thus, my friends and I (this is in 2004-2005 mind you) would write silly little tales, and so our characters were created.

     Nowadays, after rewatching the series for like the fourth time, I’ve got great ideas for stories for the aftermath kind of thing, but no one will even touch the stories. If it’s not a yaoi pairing, it’s not good. Think I’m jumping to conclusions? Look at the Yu Yu Hakusho section on adultfanfiction.com. You’ll see I’m being serious.

     Even if by some lucky chance someone does read it, they accuse me of making Shakaku (my OC that I created back in the day) a total Mary Sue.

     Ooooh doesn’t that just piss anyone off?

     But I can go into detail on how she’s no different from any of the characters on that show. Yes, she is a dragon/fire hybrid of a demon. Yes, she is a princess (though refuses to take the throne, what with her father still alive and her people hating her for not being a pure-blood), and yes, she loves black. Yes, she has a bad past. But look at each character on that series and tell me they can’t be considered “mary-sue-ish” in that sense. What was the male version, Gary-Stu’s? Eh, whatever. Yusuke dies and comes back with spiritual awareness. Woo, ok believable. Then, every case, he grows stronger, when he’s really not even supposed to, breaking the limits of a normal human at most times. Ok, getting a little too out there. Then, even further on, we come to find out he’s descended from one of the LORDS of Demon World, and thus a demon himself. In a way. Ok people, isn’t that just a bit out there? I think we can let my girl slide on being descended from a Dragon Lord, hm?

     Kurama was once a thief of the highest class. A fox that slowly progressed into a demon. Hm… well alright. We’ll go with it. He’s almost killed but narrowly escapes to human world, possessing the fetus of a woman. … Sounding a bit odd yet? THEN he can unlock his powers, but not in full. Blahblah, seeing my point yet? It’s with his odd background of how he even became a demon that Sha can slide with being half dragon and half fire.

     Hiei is the perfect example of a Gary-Stu or whatever the hell you want to call those things. The troubled past that EVERYONE seems to hate in fanfictions, he gets sympathy for. Uh-huh, so my dragon-girl committing mass murders because her mate was killed makes her a Mary-Sue. Puh-lease.

     I think I made my point with how people need to think further on the original characters of the series before they pick on the original characters of the fans. They’re not as far-fetched as you’d seem.


     What makes a good fanfic, in my opinion, is being able to get into the anime character’s minds, taking on their personas and being able to work with it, tweaking it just to get the end result you want but not make them someone totally different. Along with that, it takes well-developed original characters to make the story move along.

     BUT OMG IT’S NOT YAOI, THEY’RE TOTALLY GAY FOR EACH OTHER!!!!111

     … *wiggles finger in ear* Watch a series very, very, very closely. No where, in the entire series, the entire 112 episodes of Yu Yu Hakusho does it say say, or even hint at, that Hiei and Kurama are totally involved. Hell, watch episode 111, that will kill any dream of any yaoi fanatic. Of Hiei giving the tear gem to Kurama to pass back on to Yukina.
Kurama: I’m flattered, but I’m really not interested in you like that.
Hiei: It’s not for you!

     Seriously, watch, you’ll learn something.

     And where in Naruto does it say that Itachi wants to shag his own brother? Hm? I’d like to see where that is even CONSIDERED. That’s another thing I want to delve into but not yet. Where in it does it suggest Naruto and Sasuke want to bang each other senseless? Show me, where in Rurouni Kenshin does Kenshin and Sanosuke admit they want to be more than friends? And just because of this “fantasy” world, all the good fanfictions are getting over-looked because “it’s not full of gay sex”. Alright, awesome. Go watch a gay porn and tell me how hot that is. A guy taking it from behind up the Hershey Highway, grunting and groaning and sweating as another guy is straining away at it. Tell me how sexy that is. Ooh baby, right?

     Ok, so what brought about this “incest is awesome” thing, hm? INCEST IS WRONG. Have you ever looked at a sibling and said “Yeah I want a piece of that ass”. Do it, I dare you. Even if you have a sibling or cousin of the same sex. Do it. Tell me, what’s so alluring of Dante and Virgil clawing at each other? What’s so amazing about Itachi doing Sasuke? What is so captivating of any pairing like that? Do you have repressed feelings for a sibling of your own? Really, I just can’t understand this one. Feebs, ElvenAngel, has done amazing fanfictions with her OC Tess and Dante. I know because I’ve betaed a few, and even gone out of my way to read a few others. Honestly, Tess is so well-rounded she’s an amazingly believable character, and a believable source of Dante’s Achilles Heel. But her work is scorned just as mine is because “Dante isn’t banging his brother”. Oh get over yourself. These are the people who will read a yaoi even if the grammar and spelling suck. … Really? I mean come on.

     Anyway, figured I’d rant a little, because I really don’t understand why some amazing work is over-looked, just because one of the anime or game characters hooks up with an OC. If it’s a believable situation, and the anime/game characters are still totally in character, … well what’s the real problem? Apart from “THEY’RE NOT TAKING IT UP THE ASS”. *twitch* Honestly, give some believable stuff a chance. You never know what you’ll find.
Hell if I know where to put rants.

Anyway, I've just been hating recently that my characters I've spent years rounding, are hated just because it "interferes with a non-existing relationship".

Excuse me you rabid yaoi fangirl. Maybe if you'd pull your head out of dreamland you'll try something new instead of accusing every OC "interfering" of being a Mary-Sue.

Had to get this off my chest.
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WhiteLadyDragon Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
I know what you're talking about pretty well. I've been a Death Note fan for almost 5 years and while I don't write fan fiction only for the attention nor do I think I'm a master writer by any means (I try), sometimes against my better judgment I do feel kind of resentful that the fanfics there that DO get the spotlight or the accolades are the ones that have a slash pairing in it that doesn't even make sense. Namely L/Light. Almost everyone in that fandom treats it like it's canon, but I consider it a glorified crack pairing. Sometimes I think that if a story DIDN'T have that pairing, it would be left to gather dust like all the others. 

It's not that I'm completely against slash; it's just not my general cup of coffee and it depends on who's being paired with whom and how real and convincing it looks.

As for the fan-character thing, I have a few FCs of my own; one of them is a major character in my ongoing series and yes, she does have 2 canon romantic interests (not at the same time, though, it's a long story). Thankfully I rarely get truly nasty comments on that. But while I believe people have the right to free speech, I would at least like to know why one would say things like "het is disgusting" or "people who pair their OCs with canon characters should be thrown into the pits of Tartarus."
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lenoremarcus Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You are right, I have lots of OC's my self, and it is verty frustrating when nobody reads your work. I must say, I'm a Spanish speaker, so my fanfics are written in Spanish.
But I have good news!! Some people can Love your OC/canon Pairing!
I have this Example, I'm writing a Harry Potter Fanfiction. It has everything, Humor, drama and romance. Some of the main characters are OC'S, and all my readers love the pairings, seriously. They Love Severus/Barbara, and Regina/Draco. Maybe is because they are well written and developed, and in the case Severus/Barbara, there is a credible reason Severus loves this girl (She has a strong resemblance with Lily Evans Potter), and is more credible to me Severus/Barbara than Sevmione.

For the other hand, I have this other Resident Evil fanfic... I love how's the story going, I love it. Seriously, I put all my heart in this story.
What is the problem then?
Only few people is reading it...
I have years with this story, and I left it incomplete for some years because of some personal problems. I had some readers and divided opinions... Some liked it because of the quality of my narrative and some people accused Sara A.K.A Lenore (my OC) of being a Mary Sue.
Recently, I retook my story and revamped it.
They Like it!!
They even Like my OC!!
A friend of mine said that Sara is so well developed that she deserves to be in an original work!
Another friend of mine who happens to be a Psychologist said the characters are well developed, even that James Marcus (The canon character Sara is paired with) is not OOC because we never see very much of him in the games, and given his personality is very factible given the situation.
I want to write a traslation of this fanfic in english, so I began to upload some character Bios in this language to DA.
But some people bagan accussing Sara/Lenore even they posted her in a Sue bashing blog on tumblr.
Is only closed minded and low of intelligence people who don't appreciate good fanfic, or don't go beyond to see what's up with that original character...
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AwesomeHellee9 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Hobbyist
I argeed and yaoi is overdone sometime
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punkerpavine Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I need to show my friends this (them being yaoi fans) and crush their dreams forever. You've earned my respect :)
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you. :)
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flabaflaba123 Featured By Owner May 19, 2012   General Artist
Because 90% of the time these characters are just self-inserts that were only created so the writers (you can't really call them that, actually.) can bang their favorite characters. 90% of the time, OCs suck.
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lenoremarcus Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
A self insert is not always a Mary Sue, but...
There are some self inserts who happens to be Mary Sues...
If the OC is a self insert is a Mary Sue
If the character is attractive, is a Mary Sue
If the oc is smart, talented or else is a Mary Sue.
If the OC is all the things listed above, is a fucking Mary Sue!!
Just relax and don't judge a book for it's cover... some authors can give you a surprise
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flabaflaba123 Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2013   General Artist
Those aren't MY definitions of a Mary Sue. And see that in my last comment I made sure to avoid saying "every time", because I know some authors can create good OCs, it's just really uncommon... at least in my experience.
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lenoremarcus Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, sadly the most author who make OC's tend to make Mary sues
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flabaflaba123 Featured By Owner May 19, 2012   General Artist
There's nothing really wrong with fan/original characters, but they are so often just crap that no one wants to appreciate any of them.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2012   General Artist
Very well said.
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KolbyKakes Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
First off, an OC Mary Sue and a cannon Mary Sue are two different things. Here is why: In the cannon world, every character is perfect and how they should be. That is simply because that is how the creator intended them to be. However, if an OC is a Mary Sue, you have to realize they are not a part of the cannon and therefore are going to be put in front of the firing squad. You also can't expect people to criticize the fandom because...well, the creator isn't going to read it, amirite? The cannon characters are always better than your OCs because BITCHES LOVE CANNON!

You post your stories on here just like everyone else so you will get people not liking them. It is the chance you take. You cannot expect for everyone to be in your corner and of course there are going to trolls. However, I happen to love to critique written work, fiction or not, and I will tell you if a character is a Mary Sue but I will tell you how to change it. We're not all useless readers.

"Getting into the anime character's mind," seems to piss me off the most because most of that bullshit is always "out of character" or author doesn't realize, they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off. Example: Axel from KH is NOT a sweet, rosy-cheeked, twitterpated, love-struck simpleton because in reality (cannon) he is a smooth talkin', back stabber who wouldn't think twice before punching you in the kidney with a hacksaw. He is out for himself and no one else and HE DOESN'T HAVE A HEART (figuratively) though most people make them "have feelings." WTF.

"Tweeking" is making them undergo character development that their creator never intended for them and "tweaking" to get the end result you want is selfish.
Now, let me explain something because your terms are a little effed up. Yaoi and Yuri is not the same thing as slash. Slash can be ANY characters involved that are not 100% cannon. So, for instance, L and Misa are a SLASH pairings even though they are hetero. Raito and L are ALSO a slash type though they would be gay. Yaoi and Yuri are intended by the creator to be same sex pairings IN THE CANNON. Basically people get the entire thing messed up which confuses people. So my point is, ANY NON-CANNON SLASH PAIRING is usually very bad.

*clears thoat* Just FYI, I use to work at a movie rental place that had an adult section. Let me tell you a thing about porn. We had thousands of porn videos and I can remember seeing maybe 5 or so gay porns back there. Let me tell you, there were more females taking it up the ass than in those 5 videos, buttsex isn't restricted to the gay guys. So you're kinda...mislead if you think that's just a gay guy thing.

So I will admit, I like yaoi. I also love het pairings. Not interested in yuri but I respect those who like it, w/e. However, I do not like yaoi that makes no sense to the cannon universe, I do not like het pairings that make no sense to the cannon universe AND I HATE fanfics (het or homo) with BAD GRAMMAR! I would sooner rip my eyelids off than read swill.
BTW, about your comment about "rabid yaoi fangirls" and how we need to get out of our dreamland and basically hop into your OC/HAWT AND DELISHOUSH MAIN PROTAGONIST induced dream seems a little...silly.

I would like to actually get a bio of some of your characters and critique your work, if you would like. Don't be afraid, I'm not that rabid of a yaoi fangirl but I am an English major and I will critique your work like it’s never been critiqued before. Forgive any slang/im convo speech I've used above, I believe there is a time and place for "proper grammar."
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I do keep characters still in character, and I check with a friend who also studied English in school if everything is correct. She also tells me when something is believable or not. Usually it is. If a character isn't known for their heartfelt words, they don't get heartfelt scenes. Sure, some may end up stumbling over words and getting more angry at the world for not being able to get their point across, but they never come right out and say something they wouldn't.

I'm well aware females like it in other regions as well, and I also have no qualms with yaoi that's supposed to happen, like Gravitation. It's not my first choice of anime, but I'm aware it exists. I have problems with yaoi that contains two characters that have already had their sexuality either explained or mentioned, or have already been given a partner. Like with Yu Yu Hakusho, Yusuke clearly ends up with Keiko, and Kuwabara continues to court after Yukina, but there's still some messed up pairings between the boys. It's THOSE that I despise. Or if there characters are shown to just be good friends, can't they just be friends? It's normal for guys to have guy best friends, that doesn't mean they have gay tendencies towards them.

As for bios, I don't really have many for the characters I have, but all the work I've done so far is up on fanfiction under the same penname.
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CrackHappens Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2012
We decided to check out your fanfictions. We tried to select one that was as current as possible in the fandom you were speaking of most in your rant (Yu Yu Hakusho) so that we would have a more accurate view of how you write now.

"Beginnings" Chapter 1

Critique by Ash and Bason

First off, major word vomit here in the first paragraph. We're barely getting our feet wet into the story and you're already throwing names, ages, full criminal backgrounds, and relations to each other of four brand new characters at us. There's no way a reader has time to properly digest all of this information. This leaves little to no room for later indirect characterization which would make your story more interesting in different segments.

" For fifty years they killed and stole, until they stopped one day to look back on what they had done." What caused this revelation? First off, there's no real significant moment that causes this sudden change. "She just decided to stop" isn't really a valid or interesting excuse, there's so much potential for a really interesting part of the story but instead this life changing decision is turned into nothing more than a shameless plot device to get the character where you want them to go. Also, its completely unnecessary to state the exact age that they were at the time, its overly specific and it junks up the story, making it flow poorly. There's nothing wrong with just saying "Fifty years ago," the readers get the point.

"Their reputation already bad by their past crimes, were made worse as they became the demon spirit detective team." This sentence alone has so much potential that it is infuriating. You could have incorporated some imagery and said "Their reputation already stained by past crimes[...]" The word "stained" versus the word "bad" could bring the meaning to a different level, using "stained" suggests a reputation that would be a lot harder to repair than one that is just "bad."

As someone who just got out of prison for mass murder, she should be a little more careful about issuing death threats, especially in her place of work while she's trying to repair an already tarnished reputation. "Look at me. I'm two hundred and thirty years old." This would have been a proper and less awkward time to introduce your character's age for the first time.

This part with Sha's explanation of her past to Botan is a severely unrealistic hunk of dialogue, it is just a really inelegant way of dumping more information on the reader way too soon. If it were really that important that the reader needed to know it ASAP, it would have been much better to have her explain "lightly" in her dialogue and then have a separate paragraph that narrates the story in more detail straight to the reader rather than having all of that verbal diarrhea.

"She got up, unpinning her raven and scarlet hair." The first bit of imagery that we see and it isn't even that creative, seriously there are tons of different synonyms out there for "Black and red", you need to try and think outside of the box and use some that have not been so overused. It only took us a moment to come up with something that would sound much better than your typical, almost cliché description of hair. It would have sounded better if you'd said something like: "She reached up to unclasp her hairpin, a cascade of pitch fractured by cherry red hair bouncing below her shoulder blades."

"[...] as her and the other three girls entered his domain." It is very poor grammar to start using pronouns before the said "he" is introduced, especially after a page break. The readers can guess of course, but it's just poor writing on the author's part. " She had taken leader over time..." is also a poorly constructed sentence, it should be "Over time, Sha had taken the position of team leader" or something similar. It would also do for you to elaborate on why the others had chosen for Sha to be their team leader. Perhaps she has better decision making skills or better battle sense. "Because they wanted her to be" is, once again, neither a valid nor interesting reason.

"Dragons were notoriously tall, but being only half of one, she didn't get many perks of that half of her heritage." Bason would like to point out that genetically if her dragon half's genes were dominant enough for her to grow a tail and have other dragon like attributes, then more than likely, she would have to be tall as well if dragon demons are "notorious" for being tall. Bason would also like to point out that tattoos are NOT genetic. You claim to want your characters to be realistic but yet you've obviously put little to no thought into the actual genetics of the possible offspring of a Fire Demon mated to a Dragon Demon.

"Out of boredom, she pulled her wavy purple hair behind her in a mock pony-tail before releasing it again." Random and pointless motion is random and pointless, this is something that should have been cut from the final draft of the story unless it served as some bit of indirect characterization by having someone fuss at her for "doing that all the time." The motion would then also need to be repeated throughout the story.
"She cocked one of her white-tipped orange fox ears to the side, flicking the matching tail behind her." There should be a comma between white-tipped and orange. Also, if she's supposed to be a "Red Fox" type of Fox demon, their ears are actually black, not orange (we assume that she is supposed to be a red fox seeing as red foxes are the only species of fox that are red in color). "Her black bellbottoms covered a pair of leather boots, and tank top with matching sleeves clung to her skin." This sentence is badly put together, it makes it sound as though the bellbottom pants cover both the leather boots AND the tank top.

"[...] hers was an amethyst in color" Her what was what now? Do you mean "Her nails were amethyst in color."?

"What's the bounty?" Hyouga asked[...]" There cannot be a bounty if there isn't even a suspect... you need a perpetrator before you can set a bounty. Also, what does being a dog demon have to do with solving cases faster than other demons? You need to have reasons, you cannot just stick things in a story and expect readers to just take them as facts.

" she wore her favorite color (or lack thereof), of purple." This line makes no fucking sense, we're not even sure what to say about it. By saying "Lack thereof" means that she is not wearing much purple, but then you proceed to say that most of her outfit IS purple so...we don't even know.

"The equivalent of $500,000[...]" Why would you need to relate something to American Dollars? Yu Yu Hakusho takes place in Japan, therefore they should be using Yen at least.

Let us just say, we were not impressed. Grammar-wise it was fair to good, but there is a lot more to writing than just good grammar. It's lacking substance, which is far more important that "perfect" grammar. Your characters are poorly portrayed and described and that is why people call them Sues, there's nothing in the story that would negate that assessment.

Ash's Aside: From what you have given us (or lack thereof), in this story about your characters automatically makes me label them as Sues. Now, I'm not saying that they are, however, just the lack of explanation or the plain over informative descriptions, both physical and personality-wise, leave no other option but Sue. If you worked on the descriptions of your characters more, they might not seem like Sues at all.

This critique took us 2 hours, in terms of our usual in-depth critiques, this would be considered miniscule by comparison. If you would like to look at an in-depth critique, we'd be more than happy to send you one done for another Fanfic writer on DA. (Just to show how dedicated we are, it took 5 days straight to critique the 15 chapter fic). If you would like more help or need a better BETA reader who will be unbiased and give you useful and honest feedback, send one of us a note. There is a big difference between someone "[Studying] English in school" and someone who is an English Major.

Ash + Bason
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CrackHappens Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012
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Not only are you commenting on a very old post, you are commenting on a critique. Let me also tell you, I asked the author FIRST if it would be okay to write it. A fic, I'd like to point out, that you have NOT read so how do you expect to judge my critique of it? I'm sorry you cannot understand that or my critique, but I fear you might not be able to grasp what I was saying. Obviously so, if the only good insults you can come up with are "fuckwit" and "giant talking penis"

Good try.
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Kthulhu42 Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I haven't read this fic, I don't read fanfics at all. I'm terrible with grammar or spelling and I'm only here because I dislike messed up pairings.

But jesus christ reading through that comment was like seeing into the mind of the biggest fuckwit in the universe. It was like looking into the eyes of a giant talking penis. I'm guessing you were an itty bitty hurt that some people dare to not like messed up creepy pairings? Well, sorry, but uhm, sometimes people don't like messed up shit. It's the way of the world.

But yeah, thanks for that. Now I know what it is like to be a jerk, so I don't have to be one myself.
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KolbyKakes Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
First off, I like how you blocked my friend before responding. Very clever. No doubt you will block me as well but we will all know that in the end, you just didn't have the balls to keep a conversation going. So, here is our response:

Not only are you commenting on a very old post, you are commenting on a critique. Let me also tell you, I asked the author FIRST if it would be okay to write it. A fic, I'd like to point out, that you have NOT read so how do you expect to judge my critique of it? I'm sorry you cannot understand that or my critique but fear you might not be able to grasp what I was saying. Obviously so, if the only good insults you can come up with are "fuckwit" and "giant talking penis".

It's really unfortunate you cannot understand that, by pointing out flaws in written work, the author can build upon their mistakes and make a truly great piece of art. Perhaps, since you are "terrible with grammar or spelling" (btw don't you mean 'and' spelling?), you should actually read what we are pointing out. It is not just about grammar, it is also character and story development, something a lot of people cannot grasp. So, step off bitch, unless you have a better rebuttal that's worth reading.

Now, go on and block us. We're laughing our asses off right now anyway. Good show. Good show.
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KuchikiYorume Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
It also bothers me that people automatically assume my fancharacter is a mary-sue because she marries one of the canon characters, because apparently all my character exists for is for me to imagine fucking the hell out of Byakuya-sama.

No.

I have a fan character because the world of Bleach is so amazing that I wish I could be part of it. And she's not this goddess. She has sue traits, but so do Harry Potter, Naruto, Ichigo, Eragon, and almost every main character you can think of. It's the balance of weakness and strength that makes a character, not "how many sue traits" he/she/it has.
I keep as close to the original story as I can, because I love the story. I keep the characters as in-character as I can, because I love the characters. I wouldn't change anything about them.
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PiedPiperPluto Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2011  Student Digital Artist
While I respect your opinion, I would like to bring up a couple of points.
First of all, I totally get where you're coming from with people hating original characters because they get in the way of their personal ship. However, I've seen about as much drama coming from people who have a het OTP as from those of us who ship slash pairings.
Second of all, I kind of have an issue with your third-to-last paragraph, wherein you use unflattering terms that serve to make intimate relations between gay couples seem disgusting. You have to remember that, while you don't have to enjoy other people's kinks, some people would find that hot and they don't need to be othered for having different kinks than you.
My third point is just something I'd like to mention; not every person who ships a gay couple is a rabid yaoi fangirl. A considerable portion of queer kids start experimenting with gender and sexuality around the same time they discover fandom, and use fan works as an outlet. I'm one of those queer kids, and one of the biggest things for me about discovering fandom was the idea that, if a character's orientation isn't directly stated, they might not be straight. As someone who spent their adolescence in a state of confusion, I can say that interpreting a favorite character as non-heteronormative can be of some solace to those struggling with their identities.
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Yes, that's also a problem a lot of OCs would face. They're getting extremely bad reps from the pre-teen girls who don't know a thing about sex (or shouldn't, imo), and so the OCs that are created by literate and mature people are getting overlooked.
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Rathika Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011
My problem with OCs in fanfic is that they tend to be self-inserts written by preteen girls, paired with bad writing and character derailment. I take it as fact that 90% of all fanfiction is garbage. The people who are too young to have developed good writing/plotting skills also generally haven't gotten past the urge to stick themselves in the story and solve all the problems/ hook up with their favourite canon characters.

So yes, most OCs suck; but that's because they're inordinately written by authors who just plain suck. (It would be so much easier to convey if I could include a Venn diagram in this comment, or maybe that's just my not-so-inner nerd talking.)
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KuchikiYorume Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
But not all self-inserts are garbage- some people just want to be part of the world, and in loving the world and its characters as they are, try to keep it as close to canon as they can.
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Rathika Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2011
No, not all of them are necessarily garbage; just the people who are just getting into writing fanfiction, and both they and their writing are immature, they tend to do self-inserts a lot more. Thus, the majority of self-inserts are done by people who (at the moment) are terrible writers, and thus the majority of them end up being terrible.
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Yes, that's also a problem a lot of OCs would face. They're getting extremely bad reps from the pre-teen girls who don't know a thing about sex (or shouldn't, imo), and so the OCs that are created by literate and mature people are getting overlooked.
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superstarwordgirl Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Professional General Artist
It was good to read this.

It's so true.
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MewPocky Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011
I love fan characters! They make the fan fictions sooo much more interesting!
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lenoremarcus Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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slashoneye95 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011
I've heard of many anti-yaoi or whatever-you-want-to-call-it rants and this has to be the first I've come across that involves OC pairings. I, myself, have never brought in a totally different character nor have I ever read a fanfic with an OC but I do understand where you're coming from. It really must be frustrating.
Anyway, keep up your writing even if some people feel as if it's 'not real' or whatever :D
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The9Tard Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you!
I've had problems like this before, and even with pictures, though those have to do more with just the popularity of what the group watches me for.
I put up a Kirby comic, I get several veiws in a matter of minutes. Then I put up something like Zora's from Zelda that has a lot more time and effort put into it and it barely gets a wink. Seriously, what the hell?
I like it that my stuff gets attention, but how come when I want to try something new the work practically collects dust?

You're right about the disgusting Yaoi/Yuri stuff. I try to go to fanfiction.com to see some good romance for my favorite characters, and what takes up the vast majority of the romance section? Yaoi/Yuri sh*t which is hard to stomach, and now this incest crap.
WTF?! I mean seriously, WTF?!!

Look, if you want to have gay characters in your stories, that's fine. More power to you. However, just leave characters that AREN'T GAY alone.

Thanks for posting this rant. It's good to find people that aren't completely insane. I try to tie my own OCs in with the characters and story. Luckily I haven't been insulted yet, but heaven help the dumb*ss that dare tries calling my character a Mary Sue.
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I've been insulted in the past for attempting my pairings, but luckily I've avoided the major bullets lately. Actually, I've been getting a lot of praise for my newest female OC, Jadefire, for my Transformers fanfiction, that pairs her up with Ironhide. I expected quite a few flames for it, but surprisingly, most are rooting for the pairing to hit it off really well!
The most beef I got was with the OC I used in this rant, Shakaku. They said her character was too far out there. That's why I had to write this, because, looking at all the characters on the show, she's really not as far fetched as they were making her seem.
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KuchikiYorume Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Wow, you're good, then. Getting a lot of praise? People liking the pairing?
Some people actually put work in trying to make a character good... and people still hate them anyway.
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
lol, I'm as shocked as you are. I thought it'd be horribly flamed, but it's been the complete opposite! People were actually rooting for Ironhide's original sparkmate to be dead so my OC could be happy. Thought it was a bit much, but still. I was used to fighting for my OCs to just exist, let alone have fun with canon characters.
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KuchikiYorume Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
What am I missing, then? Why do people hate my pairing so much?
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The9Tard Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, especially in Anime. I mean, come on how many series are out there with over the top super heroes? Like Bleach? Full Metal Alchemist? And so on.
So I think if like you said a main character is considered a Demon Lord's son or whatnot, yeah I think your character can certainly be a Dragon Demon's daughter.
I love dragons too. :D
As for transformers, at least the romance fiction for that is a little more lenient it seems. Frankly, yeah, I hate Mary Sues and it pisses me off when I see one, but I also can distinguish one from a good character. It sounds like you know what you're doing when it comes to fan-fiction though and judging by what you wrote your character doesn't seem far-fetched enough to be a Sue.
Besides, if you think about it it's hard to truly get away from the Sue title without making your character be a Plain Jane.
For example, I'm guilty of most of my female characters(both fan-fictional and original)having Mary Sue qualities. Like unique hair/eye color, unique names(I prefer Latin ones), or dark pasts, but it's not like I try to shove it in your face constantly. I mean, what's wrong with a character being a little unique? That's what makes people remember them.
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah, there's no way you can have the perfect balance without someone wanting to pick it apart. And if you have too little originality, they don't perk a reader's interest. When I make a character a human, I tend to base them off people I know and give them their characteristics to keep them interesting. Same with the demons/non-humans, except I slap on some elemental manipulation in. :)
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The9Tard Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah. Sometimes I am inspired by another hero's personality for my own. :D
Usually it happens with names though. As for looks I just try to make something up.
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lenoremarcus Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You know... some of my OC's have some Mary Sue Traits, but I try to keep them credible...

I would like to ask both of you something...
Would you mind to check and comment my OC's bio? Please, and I will comment yours

[link]

Thanks!!
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Kora-is-my-creation Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Wow, really wish I could think of more to do than fave this. I love fan characters.
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Wish more people were accepting to fan characters. They never know what they'll find. Like I took the plunge and made one for the Transformers 'verse, and she's been accepted a lot more than I thought she'd be!
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MandyShadow Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Professional General Artist
Bravo, I really liked your essay. If I may, I would like to post this in my blog
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
If you like, just make sure to credit me for it.
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Kikiro783273 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Student Writer
I SO agree!!!! :D You are now my very very very best friend <3
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Jim-DA Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
I agree. All I can say
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The-One-True-Koneko Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Excellent rant. I have a LOT of FCs/OCs, most of which I just use for RPing nowadays. A few of my older ones though were used in fan-fiction(which I never completed), back before yaoi became the only 'good' thing. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against yaoi/yuri as long as it's well-written and makes sense, and especially if it's canon.

But really, when I make an OC, even if s/he is specifically made to be a love interest to a canon character, I don't appreciate random fans saying they're a Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu just because I paired them with a canon guy/girl. I also don't like it when they complain because I didn't pair that canon with his/her 'kawaii desu gay lover' instead of my OC.

I'm planning on writing a Megaman X4 fic as part of a series I've planned in the near future. Zero is gonna be paired with Iris, AS HE IS IN CANON! X is not going to be having jealousy issues. The only fan character I have planned is not a love interest for either of them, she's paired up with Double. And yet I can already hear the X/Zero fans complaining. Is it really that big a deal? I don't think so!
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I actually recently started up a Transformers fanfiction, using a few OCs of mine (technically I really do own one of them, since he's based off my car, lol), and I'm so surprised no one's harped on me yet for my femme wanting to hook up with Ironhide. Usually rabid girls would have picked it apart before reading it. Luckily, I think I've got a very small but very good fan base growing on it. I gave her loads more reasons than just a simple "well hello there" thing. Gave them both a sort of history, so hopefully I don't get any eventual harpies saying he has to be gay with someone.

Um, hello, Chromia ringing a bell here?
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The-One-True-Koneko Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Heh. I know next to nothing about Transformers, despite having grown up on the various series it spawned. Are you talking about movie-version Ironhide, or the young-ish(teenaged?) cartoon version?
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Movie-verse, though that would also set him at well over 9 million years old XD
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The-One-True-Koneko Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Advantage #1 when you are a mechanical life-form: You don't die of 'old age'.
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Terrajaide Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011
Haha! Very true. Fan characters are just fun to make and write about. I love fan characters.
Most of the stories that are about anime are about yaoi. It's seriously lame an not very exciting at all.
So, basically, I agree with you.
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LuciferDragon Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Anime and the majority of video games. So long as something has more than two male leads, they're automatically labeled as homosexuals by the rabid yaoi fangirls. It's so irritating.
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